In all fairness, he didn’t say blogging is futile. His post had a very specific point about Sarah. Which I happen to agree with it. It’s not about blogging/bloggers – it’s about Sarah Palin.
That’s my take, anyway.
I sent a comment to Joe after his first “lecture” about Sarah Palin civility, ours, not hers. I told him I felt used. And that he got a lot of information from the commenters on his blog. He now knows pretty well what questions he will have dance around and how he can prepare to handle them– thanks to the commenters on his blog. He of course did not post my comment.
That’s my take then and even more so now. His latest social media lecture was unnecessary. Why is he throwing his disdain of social media in the faces of those who have no doubt helped him prepare for his book tours? I won’t be buying his book. I don’t hate Sarah that much.
PS: I just had a thought why he might be throwing out this anti-social media stuff: he is trying to distance himself from “them kind” so he won’t have to give them any creditfor what they may have revealed or so his “reputation” won’t be soiled by his association by virtue of being such a blogger himself. He just seems slimey. I won’t be buying his book. I don’t hate Sarah that much.
I thought the same thing until sarah paid her attorney to threaten Gryphen with a lawsuit, until Syrin received a phone call from one of sarah´s aides, until I read Frank Bailey´s book, until I saw sarah change her physical appearance in response to a Bree Palin post, etc….
One thing more important is undeniable: Her supporters read the blogs.
I really dislike the back & forth back biting between the Blind Alliance folks & Joe. They both have points, but by making it all public does no one any service. All the blogs have the same aim. Keeping our country safe from the likes of Sarah Palin & her ilk. I’ve lost respect for both parties. They lose credibility with their followers and for commenters to jump in & start name calling without the whole story is even more disturbing. What about taking the high road & dealing with the differences on a personal level. The dialogue I’ve been seeing is worthy of C4P. It just shows what happens when egos get involved instead of the general good. I’ll probably get blasted for stating this but I feel it needed to be said.
Joe wrote: “We’ll have to get off our asses and away from our keyboards and our cheap and easy snide remarks and actually do something.”
I agree, of course, that this type of action would have an impact, but the irony here is that he posted this on his blog and that we have all read it and are reacting to it. To say that blogs, or social media in general, do not make a difference is a curious statement to make. I want to see support for this statement. I want to see some evidence that this is indeed a fact. Let’s start with the impact of Sarah Palin’s Facebook posts.
I do find his need to alienate people a little puzzling. There are better ways to distance yourself from a particular crowd. There must be a reason that he feels he has to do this though I am at a bit of a loss to explain it. I will read his book because I believe that SP is a phenomenon and I want to understand why. I read everything – all of ’em 😉
Follow the $$$ with anything Joe does, and you will find the answer. His current ‘blog’ tries to diminish blogs (Mudflats) and the Truthout site that just wrote a few blogs about the true Joe. He is trying to diminish comments that describe him as an egotistical bastard prior to the publishing of his book.
Joe might be one author who should simply not blog. It hasn’t done him any favors as far as book sales. He bites the hand that desperately wanted to feed him.
Just a few things about the blogs and comments. We know the grifters read the blogs and comments. Infighting only helps the grifters. They “celebrate” when bloggers and their egos get in the way of the goal, & as the “anonymous” commenter has written about last night. They celebrated with champagne when Patrick left Palingates. Let’s not give them anything to celebrate.
BTW, I noticed some so called dems posting that we should have other dem candidates running against our Pres.
Yeah, that’s a great idea, if you’re a rethuglican.
Anyone who knows about elections and “splitting” the vote will tell you that’s a no win situation for dems.
Lots of trolls commenting doesn’t bother me, and it shows they’re desperate and/or getting a paycheck from grifters, or coming from the C4P to “defend” their queen, or just the Palin grifters themselves.
SP is her own worst enemy, & she is and has been taking herself down.
We’re really just watching a slow train wreck.
Something Mom taught me that stuck, “if you can’t say something that will add to the conversation to get to the goal, keep it to yourself”
Ha ha…I thought the same thing. Anyway I stopped reading his blog, he’s a pompous buffoon who has wandered off into weird-world. Somebody put up a comment on another blog so I had to look at it. Apparently from what he wrote he’s expanding his wrath to the entire internet! lol. He actually said twittering is masturbating. He said that. And he wants us to take to the streets with pitchforks. I think the fellows with the white coats are calling….
Joe’s publishers must be gnashing their teeth right about now. He needs to close down his blog before he damages his book sales.
Now I know why he was so interested in writing about Sarah Palin. Loony birds are interested in each other.
McGuinness is full of it. I only read his blog from time to time and rarely read the comments, so the only time I saw the Track parentage question on his blog was when he posted about it. Twice. Clever way to bring attention to the topic, by pretending to be mortified by it.
As far as his rant about closing down the blog comments, who announces in advance? If the comments were too much, he could have just shut it down and then posted, “I needed to shut the comments down, sorry.” That whole episode was contrived purely for the drama it generated.
And now the whole, “social media is pointless, twitter is for wankers” post? The London riots and the Syrian protests are two recent examples of the impact social media can have. Not to mention, the subject of Joe’s latest work (that he is currently pimping big time) is a very active and (sadly) effective social media user. The whole “death panel” debate was sparked by a Facebook post. Hell, she tweeted the letter “T” once and it was in the media cycle for 48 hours. Something doesn’t pass the sniff test here.
My take on the whole kerfluffle is that either Joe got scooped BIG TIME and is ticked off, or he is distressed that he is an Author with a capital “A”, yet somehow, almost anonymous bloggers are serious competition for the attention that should be his alone as a Famous Author. Maybe both.
I found it interesting that he quote Samuel Johnson: “No man but a blockhead ever wrote except for money.”
I think he should be reminded of Thomas Wolfe: “You have reached the pinnacle of success as soon as you become uninterested in money, compliments, or publicity.”
I completely and wholeheartedly agree with commenter #5 KiheiKat !! It’s all getting to be ugly and very C4pee-ish. Let us also not forget what Anon@2:38 warns us about Sarah who is probably celebrating every single anti-JMcG comment.
“There is one thing I meant to mention last night and forgot to do so–this is more a cautionary tale than spilling Sarah’s secrets. When the morning came when Palingates announced its two investigative bloggers were being asked to leave, Sarah celebrated. With champagne and everything. When other bloggers have accused Gryphen of grandstanding, she is THRILLED. She is ecstatic over any hint of division within the anti-Palin camps. She still refers to the Palingates/Politicalgates split as “chopping the head off the snake”.
I bring this up only because I know there is a lot of animosity between certain parties right now and I just want to remind everyone…we are strongest together. ”
Anon@2:38 also says, “Last notes for now–there is a writer named Floyd Orr and Sarah lives in perpetual fear that people will start paying attention to this guy. She says he’s a “bigheaded blowhard” but she is TERRIFIED people will realize his book about her contains a lot of truth.”
I looked up Orr’s book on Amazon about the Palin Matrix. THAT is the book I’m taking on vacation next weekend. How do you like that Sarah!
You know Ozmud, your blog is one of the lesser known ones I guess, but it is a favorite of mine sometimes when you seem to post very insightful things and so I am choosing here to make any kind of a reply to Joe and the other blogs who are alternately supportive of him and who are critical of him (because they feel they have been hurt by him). All I wan to say is something I have said before on Mudflats, IM, Palingates, Politicalgates, etc. I thank them from the bottom of my heart for being there. Mudflats, IM and Palin’s Deceptions kept me sane through the crazy that was the campaign in the Fall of 2008. Through them I not only was able to take refuge from the nasty hate-filled rhetoric coming from the McCain camp (in large part because of Palin) but I also learned more about our political system in general and I became more proactive in my support of the Democratic Party and of our now President Barack Obama. Yes, I am (I hate to say the word) a babygater, because I firmly believe that Sarah Palin did not give birth to Trig Palin (at least the child we know as Trig) in 2008. But I have also written letters, faxes, and emails in support of various key issues over the last 3 years (sometimes to our Federal offices, sometimes to state legislators (and not just in my state). I have sent money to support the blogs from time to time and money to various campaigns (not just the Presidential campaign or Democratic Party campaign). So …. get up and out and do something. Joe, I have. Because of my work schedule, etc. I have mostly done it via internet, or phone, but I have not been just a pajama clad blogger.
I too have also seen Sarah Palin and/or her family do certain things that had to be a direct result of having read (or someone on their behalf having read) something on the blogs – how Trig was dressed as an example. We have heard Sarah use terminology about herself even that originated on one of the blogs.
Due in large measure to the bloggers in AK, and the support of bloggers from around the country or beyond, a couple of politicians in AK were kept from taking office!
I don’t know what Joe’s problem is and I don’t see any reason why he has started this tirade or this condescending attitude toward the “bloggers” but I say we ignore it; heck, ignore him if it makes you really unhappy. We know what we have done for over 3 years and we know what community we have created. We just need to keep it up and anyone who feels that we do not count need not be a part of our community. We have each other!
McGinniss is skilled at conning people. He becomes their “friends” to get them to facilitate his information gathering. He creates drama and then uses the reactions to it for attacks to make himself look like the one who is grounded in reality or for publicity (It was just a coincidence that he moved next door to Palin…yea right). He seems to get away with this despite having had a history of very unethical behavior. He uses people in many different ways. His main goal is money, but he has a secondary one. He has done what is called splitting in Alaska among the left bloggers, he creates dissention in a stealthy way so it seems he has nothing to do with it causing infighting. Now, he uses that situation to his advantage and attacks those who were essential to his research process by attempting to make them look insignificant. Is this a sign he is not giving certain people credit in his book? In that situation creating problems before the book is published would decrease the surprise about this. If you do something that he feels detracts from or makes his book look bad he can get really ugly and apparently is so vindictive he is willing to risk being sued by violating the work of other authors. He attacked me with false accusations on his blog because I said I would not buy his book after he started his negative, OBVIOUS, splitting behavior on his blog. I will not buy his book nor will he be able to influence my thinking because I know what he is and recognize his behaviors for what they mean about him. It was really easy for McGinniss to cause trouble in Alaska considering pathological personalities being considered normal in many ways here. There were already some issues between bloggers, so a few words here and a few words there cleverly placed got the result he wanted.
I was so into joe at first – really respected his successful career and the amazing books he’s written. So, when he posted some comments that felt like an attack, I was very surprised. I want to believe Joe has ethics and working for the greater good. Many things I’ve read on various blogs have me rethinking a few things but the only thing I do know is this….I’ve never felt attacked by a blog owner as I did with joe when he called me out for mentioning the track parentage question. He throttled me for saying anything and i was embarrassed and pretty surprised at his reaction. He then posted he didn’t want anyone bringing the palin kids up in his blog. But then he later did it himself so I was confused…..I still am. I want to believe he’s a good guy but he doesnt’ do himself any favors by being so abrasive with us.
I so disagree with all you who are lambasting Mr. McGinniss. You’re being so thin skinned. I found his blog to be very interesting and his posts were informing – not only of the subject, but of himself. He hasn’t conned anyone. He writes NON FICTION. You have to get an audience with THE PEOPLE who are involved and those even on the periphery or you don’t have any material for that NON FICTION. I am sure he has honed his talents very well in that aspect. If you have read any of his books that point is clear. If people do not want to be interviewed, their option is no interview. I think there are mountains being made out of molehills here. He told everyone his opinion regarding blogs/bloggers, of which he himself was one. Would you have rather had him not say what he thought was the truth and just went along with everyone as a pretense? I wouldn’t. I like the truth. My ego is strong enough to take it. The truth of anything is the hardest thing for people to face. I think they would rather be coddled and ass kissed. When they’re not, oh GOD! How rotten that person was for telling them exactly what they couldn’t/wouldn’t/didn’t want to hear!
His style in the blog was pretty much to the point of whatever he was saying. He is also a human being with imperfections and people can and do change their minds on a whim if it strikes them. He told everyone up front that his publisher’s suggested writing a blog. He didn’t have to like it, but he did it and I think he did it well. Even if he himself didn’t really “love it”.
Someone else here has already said it – and I also say, don’t give the bi***h palin anything more to celebrate. Joe McGinnis is doing this divided(easily divided, I might add) country a favor by writing a book about the biggest faux political fraud to come along in a few centuries and we should be damned glad he has done it. I plan to buy that book. You damned right I will.
I will still read his blog as well. Some of you with short memories forgot that he also told everyone that when it comes time for the media interviews, he would not have the commentary section open. He wouldn’t have the time and he also said that he might or might not open it back up later. That is his perfect right to do so. I think I would be missing out if he stopped the blog all together, because I simply think he has good information and I want to know his opinions. He is one of this country’s top notch writer’s. The comments were always interesting and also at the same time, by some commenter’s, denigrated into pettiness. But that’s just my opinion.
A person who chooses writing as a profession expects to make money from that profession just the same as any other form of employment. Those comments about the monetary part of his profession were just plain stupid in my opinion. Nobody writes professionally for free! And nobody who writes poorly will get an audience OR money. His authorship/writing talents have already been proven. What is the rub!
When was the last time any of us wrote best selling novels or non fiction books! Get a grip people. You wasted your time nit picking Joe McGinniss when you should have spent that time analyzing more in depth what he is and has been saying. It isn’t about you and me. Its about the danger of the person of sarah palin and the horrific affect she has on everyone in this country. Thank you Joe McGinniss for your part in exposing this ugly and heinous little piece of rotten humanity.
He is absolutely and totally correct in telling us to get off our keyboards/asses and go out and do the real protesting against these political poisons that are killing this country. I will and I also agree.
Yes, there is a reason to be concerned when we see serious conflicts amongst our favorite anti-Palin bloggers. However, I am beginning to think that McGinnis is not only a self-serving, embittered, miserable, manipulative jerk, but that he may also be a Trojan Horse.
But he got a big surprise– he had the arrogance and stupidity to offend and attempt to manipulate a sector of the natural audience for his book. But we would not be victimized — we pushed back, publically, on blogs– oh the horror of it all. The big man got a taste of democratized journalism and he doesn’t like it. TOUGH SHIT!
In response to:deennaa Says: Your comments are well written and you offered good points to support your opinion. However, for me this is not about being thin skinned nor do I resent Joe for suggesting we get off the blogs and do something to make changes. My comments were based on an opinon Joe made regarding one of my comments on his blog. He reacted with anger and appeared to be offended by me suggesting that Track’s biological father is someone other then Todd. Joe’s point was that this type of comment was not appropriate and that other blogs allow this type of trash but not his.
I gave him the benefit of the doubt because I figured being a writer he needs to maintain an objective view so his books are seen as serious and not some tabloid type hit piece. And maybe I ventured into an area that he’s not comfortable with since it’s never been proven. But then he went on to discuss Trig in the next post and who his father might be – another person commented with the question – why is it not ok to discuss Track’s bio father but it’s ok to discuss Trig’s questionable parentage I agreed with that question and it was a fair one.
I do not know what to think about joe on a personal level and I’m not looking to character assasinate him. However, Joe doesn’t have a window into my current life situation as far as whether or not i’m doing things to make a change. I AM doing things and have committed myself to the democratic party since 2008. My point about joe’s comments are based on his abrasive attitude when he makes assumptions regarding his readers – and comes off a bit arrogant which isn’t fair. The blogs are vital to the mission all of us are part of – employment, economic recovery, seperation of church and state, ethical and strong leadership in our govt and the right to speak out against those that threaten our life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.
I do not agree with his claim that nobody reads the blogs. On the contrary, if the bloggers didn’t exist and make such huge efforts to shine a spotlight on the truth, we’d never have gotten this far with the progress we’ve made and the information we’ve been given on a daily basis.
Bloggers should be thanked. And I don’t find bloggers obsessed as Joe suggested since they’re not paid to do what they’re doing. But I can honestly say I’m obsessed since palin surfaced in 2008. And I won’t make a huge windfall on any books I’m writing but i sure as hell have a stake in this and so does everyone else that takes their time to blog, comment and fight the good fight. I’m hoping Joe’s book is a massive blow to palin but it probably won’t be. It will be entertainment for sure but the reality is this – she’s been over for a long time. And it’s becoming more and more apparent so maybe Joe needs to stir the pot again. I wish him great success with this book – his others have been best sellers.
Celia, your comments about his methodology – creating splitting, is interesting, and makes sense. And it’s obvious he uses people. Among the bloggers, there are spats but then they get over it and unite under a common goal. McGinnis is not part of that community and I think people forget that. His team is Team McGinnis, no more no less, just like Team Palin. All’s fair in war and capitalism, I suppose. But even those in the publishing industry were stunned by his departure from protocol and said it “shook” the industry itself. That makes me think of republicans, who play outside the rules to get what they want, then claim it’s part of how the game is played.
Drama creation? I’m starting to see that too, in retrospect. There was no reason to go off on bloggers and readers, and I think it will backfire on him, but I’m sure in the meantime he’s telling his publisher that bad publicity is good publicity. Remember when he put up that post about readers canceling subscriptions, and his editor being pleased the subscriptions were canceled? That was supposed to teach us that his bad behavior is actually a ‘good’ thing, and allow him carte blanche.
The part you mentioned about moving next door to Palin, yeah I see that now. It was basically a test of wills between two professional victim-claimers and attention-getters (Sarah and Joe), and I’m not sure who won. They both scored points. But imo moving next door to her didn’t serve our ends because it gave her an excuse to shore up her claim of being harassed by the media. And frankly….if I was an author immersing myself in a tightly-knit alaskan community, trying to get people to talk, I wouldn’t risk alienating any of them by pulling a stunt like that. But there’s that risk/reward thing – he was willing to risk that because he had more to gain with the controversy.
This is a cautionary tale for us, I think. Listen to people when they show you who and what they are, and don’t leave your common sense at the door.
See, the thing is, Joe is blogging to increase his sales so that he can make more money selling his book to people who don’t mind being called obsessive nuts. While you blog out of your love for your country and your sense of what is right.
This makes Joe better than you, because he does what he does for money, while you do what you do for love.
Or else it makes him a…. What’s the word for it again?
This is the second time I have responded to your post that Joe did not post your comment. You posted that same information on IM (Gryphen’s) a week or more ago. Specifically – the same day you posted this same info at IM.
I said in a response on IM directed to you that Joe DID post your comment and in fact responded directly to you on his blog and that you wouldn’t like the response.
It appears that you continue to post this info and choose to neglect to read comments or you would have seen my response. It also says that after you posted at Joes, you never looked to see or you would have seen it as you posted under the same name. I had provided the time of your post to make it easier for you to check but you didn’t. Of course now Joe has scrubbed various posts and many of the comments on others.
Sorry Sunnyskies — I called you out on this before but you ignore reading comments to you specifically and continue to post lies elsewhere like you have here.
“He is absolutely and totally correct in telling us to get off our keyboards/asses and go out and do the real protesting against these political poisons that are killing this country. I will and I also agree”
As for his comment that we get off the keyboards — I’m somewhat in the same age category as he is and for him to think his comment can ‘direct’ me and IMO, others, as to what I do – he can pound salt.. I can run circles around the man multi-tasking. Massive circles around him.
For a stranger to tell people what they should do while he’s sitting on his ass ON HIS BLOG — he can ram it where the sun don’t shine.
I head clubs that have reading rooms/libraries. When we order books, we order many of them in quantities sufficient to cover them all and in many locations the books are in quantity. All of his books have been deleted from our inventory and the order for dozens upon dozens of books have been cancelled.
I am reading up on Audit Evidence and I understand that Substantive procedures consists of Tests of Details and Analytical procedures.
My book states that Tests of Controls means obtaining sufficient appropriate audit evidence about the operating effectiveness of the internal controls of the client entity in preventing, or detecting and correcting material misstatements.
Tests of Details = These are used to obtain audit evidence regarding certain assertions about account balances.
How do these two differ?
I would be very grateful for an intelligent simple response. Thank you.